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Gentleman Jim
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 Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:35 am Post subject: Re: live vocals - how to get good results with whispered voices? |
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Andy Peters wrote:
| Quote: | | ...I like the EV967 and the Sennheiser 945. A friend swears by the Audio-Technica AE6100. Do not even THINK about the Shure Beta58A. Trust me on this. |
Apologies for a slight derailing, but Andy, what's your beef with the Beta 58A? I like the 945 and the 967, I've never used the AE6100 but I'm generally agreeable to AT's mics. I have a few Beta 57A's that I like on live rock vocals if they're going to stay on a stand, and I've used 58A's and not wanted to self immolate.
I don't have any great love for them, I'm just curious about your obvious dislike. |
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thunderboy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: live vocals - how to get good results with whispered voices? |
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| Gentleman Jim wrote: | Andy Peters wrote:
| Quote: | | ...I like the EV967 and the Sennheiser 945. A friend swears by the Audio-Technica AE6100. Do not even THINK about the Shure Beta58A. Trust me on this. |
Apologies for a slight derailing, but Andy, what's your beef with the Beta 58A? I like the 945 and the 967, I've never used the AE6100 but I'm generally agreeable to AT's mics. I have a few Beta 57A's that I like on live rock vocals if they're going to stay on a stand, and I've used 58A's and not wanted to self immolate.
I don't have any great love for them, I'm just curious about your obvious dislike. |
For me, it's the B58's over-the-top proximity effect and its tendency to put sibilants through your forehead. The B57 is actually a very handy vocal mic, however.
Also, Andy said:
| Quote: | | i) IEMs are an excellent way to ensure that you can hear yourself sing -- but remember that you still have to sing strong enough to be audible in the house mix. |
Your first IEM experience will be an epiphany - you will hear exactly what the mic "hears". You might find that what it hears is mostly the band behind you and not your whisper-y vocal.
| Quote: | | ...loudest sound at the microphone wins, always. |
It bears repeating. ALWAYS.
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mvollrath
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: live vocals - how to get good results with whispered voices? |
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+1 on everything Andy said.
I just finished mixing a recording of a live show where the lead vocal was through a B58A. The sibilance was just ridiculous! And it's up there around 11k where it doesn't sound pleasant at all. I used to use B58A's for live sound at the club all the time, assuming they were a better version of the 58. Then I started trusting my ears and I've never picked up a B58 since. Put a 58 on the stand, cut bass to taste, and voila.
Some people come in with all their own mics and DIs and have the tones pre-balanced, and it's sweet. Other people just bring a guitar and rock the house with whatever I set up in front of them. Gear is always just icing on the cake. Don't try to make a club sound guy act like a studio engineer, because they will get frustrated and you will be disappointed. Just bring a good show that you feel confident about and have fun while you perform it!
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