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Harry
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 Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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Here's an example of what I'm talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pTPBv2l5X0&feature=related
Now here's the challange (for me at least)
The board I'm working on has no phase switch. Which is usually not an issue because I just get it right going in without a problem.
These drums are a blast to play and totally a lesson in phase issues that drums might have.
Like when you both slam the drum at the same time it almost launches the stick out of your hand....very cool!!! powerful!!!
I have some ideas on how to record it and make sure I get it right without dicking around too long but I'm curious if anyone has ever recorded these monsters being played by 2 people at once,and how they did it.
And yes I did UTFS  not much talk about Taiko drums...so here we go!
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drumsound
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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Are you recording a Taiko ensemble or adding an overdub to something?
I'd keep some space and use a mic that is nice and even and fast.
Something like Earthworks or Shoeps type vibe.
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Harry
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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| drumsound wrote: | Are you recording a Taiko ensemble or adding an overdub to something?
I'd keep some space and use a mic that is nice and even and fast.
Something like Earthworks or Shoeps type vibe. |
It's a single drum being played by two people at once...one on each side.
I know I'm going to want a stereo image,which is going to be hard since my whole little studio will be shaking on it's foundation...So I'm gonna have to get kind of close.
It will be a foundation track.... It may end up being pretty much alone or there could be tons of cool shit put over it?
I'm sure it will end up sounding more African than Asian when it's all said and done.....not "pure" taiko...but very powerful none the less.
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Snarl 12/8
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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Make sure you tight mic the foundation.
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JWL
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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Can't you just take a DI?
*ducks* 
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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| Harry wrote: | | drumsound wrote: | Are you recording a Taiko ensemble or adding an overdub to something?
I'd keep some space and use a mic that is nice and even and fast.
Something like Earthworks or Shoeps type vibe. |
It's a single drum being played by two people at once...one on each side.
I know I'm going to want a stereo image,which is going to be hard since my whole little studio will be shaking on it's foundation...So I'm gonna have to get kind of close.
It will be a foundation track.... It may end up being pretty much alone or there could be tons of cool shit put over it?
I'm sure it will end up sounding more African than Asian when it's all said and done.....not "pure" taiko...but very powerful none the less. |
M/S might be cool. I'm loving ORTF lately. Plus mic each side maybe.
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Dakota
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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If you don't want to mess with phase, each mic of the pair *same* distance from the center of the head.
As much room as possible if the room sounds good (hope it does for taiko).
And as usual, block an ear and listen, where in the room does it sound good? Mic 1 there, mic 2 either there in x/y or m/s, or spaced pair spread out somewhere else good but still same distance from the center of the head. |
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Harry
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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| drumsound wrote: | | Harry wrote: | | drumsound wrote: | Are you recording a Taiko ensemble or adding an overdub to something?
I'd keep some space and use a mic that is nice and even and fast.
Something like Earthworks or Shoeps type vibe. |
It's a single drum being played by two people at once...one on each side.
I know I'm going to want a stereo image,which is going to be hard since my whole little studio will be shaking on it's foundation...So I'm gonna have to get kind of close.
It will be a foundation track.... It may end up being pretty much alone or there could be tons of cool shit put over it?
I'm sure it will end up sounding more African than Asian when it's all said and done.....not "pure" taiko...but very powerful none the less. |
M/S might be cool. I'm loving ORTF lately. Plus mic each side maybe. |
I'm thinking the ORTF will end up being the main choice at mixdown.
Then I think I'll put 2 kick type dynamics on each side. With the phase reversed on one of each. I might use all 4 ,just 2 or none of these but I should get it captured one way or another.
This is something I'm just doing for fun but it's a big ass drum and two really good players that will only be there for one night. So I want to make sure I'm getting it. ( maybe a room mic at each end of the room too?)
Thank's for the input folks.........Oh and I will be mounting a pickup on the foundation and running that through a DI:) |
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Snarl 12/8
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Taiko drums.? How would you record these? |
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| Harry wrote: | | Thank's for the input folks.........Oh and I will be mounting a pickup on the foundation and running that through a DI:) |
On a more serious note, what about a Subkick on each side of the drum?
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norsehorse
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject: Try a different approach... |
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Remember, you're recording ONE drum, not two. It's like four-hand piano - just because two people are playing does mean it's two instruments.
I would mic the drum from the front - ie. with neither side facing the microphones. This would keep both sides at equal volume. Use your preferred stereo method of choice (I'd go with ORTF or m/s). You'll still get a great stereo image, and it'll actually sound like a taiko drum. Not like the warped sound you'll get by miking both sides. If you want that, just get two drums.
Good luck!
PS. In addition to your stereo pair, you might want a single omni right up close to capture any really deep low-end that might get lost (depends on you room, your main mics, and the size of your taiko, I guess). I'm not sure it's necessary, but if you've got an extra channel, I'd do it.
PPS. What microphones / space do you have available?
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